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DeM(CALVINISM)oNiC Calvinism A Calvinist is a person who subscribes to the theological beliefs of John Calvin, the Swiss Protestant reformer of the sixteenth century. There are five main points in Calvinism, four of which are false teachings. The five points of Calvinism are usually represented by the letters T.U.L.I.P. The "T" is for TOTAL DEPRAVITY. This is the false doctrine that man is so depraved that he cannot even see his sinful condition and call upon God for salvation. It is true that all men are natural-born sinners (Rom. 3:23; 5:12; Psa. 51:5), but it is also true that God COMMANDS all men to repent and receive Christ (Acts 17:30-31; I John 3:23; Luke 13:3). Man is indeed depraved, but he isn't so depraved that he has no free will of his own (II Pet. 3:9; Jn. 1:12; 3:16; Jos. 24:15; Exo. 35:5, 21, 22, 29). Total Depravity is heresy. "U" stands for UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION, which is a heresy derived from perverting verses like Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8:29. The Calvinists believe that God predestinated everyone way back before Genesis 1:1, totally ignoring their free will to choose for themselves. That is, He supposedly decided who would go to Heaven and who would go to Hell long before anyone was even born. If you'll read Romans 8:29 and I Peter 1:1-2 you'll see that God's election is based on FOREKNOWLEDGE. He didn't elect to save or damn anyone against their free will. God knew all along who would choose Christ and who would not, and He made His "elections" based on that information. Then we have the "L" for LIMITED ATONEMENT. This is the belief that only a limited number of people can be washed from their sins in the precious blood of Christ, because only "the elect" will be saved anyhow. The idea is that Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it (Eph. 5:25); so the blood of Christ was only shed for the church. This is foolishness. I Timothy 2:6 says that Christ gave Himself a ransom for ALL, not just the elect. ALL have sinned (Rom. 3:23); so He died for ALL, and He saves "as many as" receive Him (John 1:12). The "I" stands for IRRESISTIBLE GRACE, which is also false doctrine. This teaching says that God the Holy Spirit overpowers the sinner and grants him the new birth without his submission or positive response. As we've already seen, man DOES have a free will and no one is saved without CHOOSING to believe on Christ as Lord and Saviour. There is no such thing as irresistible grace. God has given us all the ability to resist anyone or anything we choose (Acts 7:51; II Tim. 3:8; Jas. 4  ). There are times when the convicting power of the Holy Spirit is so strong and real that a sinner sees no choice but to give in to God and receive Christ as Saviour, but the sinner always has a choice. No one is saved against their will, and no one is saved without first choosing to receive Christ.The last letter is "P," which represents the PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS. This is the only point in "T.U.L.I.P" which is anywhere near correct. Once a sinner receives Christ, he is predestinated to be conformed to Christ's image (Rom. 8:29). That is, as Christians, we are eternally secure and cannot lose the salvation which God has freely given us. James Melton |
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ok so .... if these doctrines are false...prove it by scripture...making a statement without biblical evidence is foolish and spiritually dangerous....but in your case it is just plain ignorance. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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yeah...Calvinists should try that sometime...Demonists  LOL you get taken to the woodshed and refuse it anyway
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ummmmm I think he did use scriptures just in case you didnt read it.
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but it is also true that God COMMANDS all men to repent and receive Christ ....yes but only when he gives one the ability to repent....dont forget to read all the bible. I will give you point by point....todays point..... REPENTANCE in the Old Testament the word that is used FOR REPENTANCE is shoov. When you read Psalm 80, in verses 3, 7 and 19, there is this prayer offered to God: Turn us, turn us, O God, that we may be saved, or, restore us, that we may be saved. The word shoov in Hebrew means to turn - to turn from sin and turn unto God. Repentance is turning of the heart to God. In the New Testament repentance is the word metanoia. This is a change in our thinking, resulting in a change of our understanding of reality, a change of values, a change of goals, a change of purpose and a change of relationships. There is an idea of repentance that is being preached in some circles that is not biblical repentance. It is called attrition. It is a superficial and false repentance. It is a repentance that is self-focused and self-centered, such as when a mother sees the hand of her child in the cooky jar and then all of a sudden the child repents. The reason for that "repentance" is that he is afraid of punishment. So attrition is fear of punishment, or fear of losing a blessing. It is a false form of repentance. It is self-centered repentance. Some illustrations of false repentance. In the book of Matthew, chapter 27, we read about Judas who betrayed our Lord Jesus Christ. Matthew 27, beginning with verse 3, says: When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. "I have sinned," he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood." This is not true repentance at all. Also the repentance of Esau. In the book of Hebrews, chapter 12, verses 16-17, we read about the repentance of Esau in this way: See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind - he could bring about no repentance - though he sought the blessing with tears. Notice, here Esau is not deeply grieving because he offended God. His repentance had to do with loss of blessing. This idea of salvation without repentance is a grand delusion. It is a gospel made attractive to modern man, who is allergic to true repentance.This true repentance is not man-created and man-made. It is the fruit of regeneration, not the cause of it. It is the result of the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of an individual sinner. Jesus Christ speaks about the ministry of the Holy Spirit in this way in John 17, verse 7 and following: "But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin. . ." In other words, no sinner can self-manufacture true repentance. This authentic, godly sorrow is the work of the Holy Spirit in our life. So it is the fruit of regeneration. Not only that, repentance is the gift of God. Now you know that in the book of Acts, chapter 10, God caused St. Peter to preach the gospel to the Gentiles and the church in Jerusalem found out about it. And finally they made this conclusion, having listened to the report of the gospel preaching to the house of Cornelius. Here is the concluding remark: When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, 'So, then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life." (Acts 11:1  In other words, repentance is a divine gift. And that is the reason why even in the Old Testament in Psalm 80, verses 3, 7 and 19, this prayer is offered three times: Turn us, that we may be turned. No human sinner can turn on his own. But a lot of people preach that that is what you should do and then God will save you. Well, that is a lot of nonsense. It is not biblical. A self-righteous person can never repent and be saved. He will never make it to heaven. But whenever a person does repent, which, of course, is the result of God's working in a sinner, there is great joy in heaven. We read about it in Luke, chapter 15. Excerps from Grace Valley Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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NEXT POINT Peter 1:1-2 you'll see that God's election is based on FOREKNOWLEDGE. He didn't elect to save or damn anyone against their free will Oh really? Volition and free will are different. You can make choices within your slavery (WHETHER SLAVES TO SIN OR SLAVES TO RIGHTEOUSNESS) that you will be accountable for making whether in sin as to how you sin and within grace as to how you heed the Lord in specifics but you are not free to determine your own fate! You are either saved and have eternal life and are being conformed to the image of Christ, being a slave to righteousness or you are a slave to sin as an unsaved person not of your own will but because you have a sin nature.You sin because you are a sinner but you choose the kind of sins you desire to walk in. Where is your free will in all this great scheme of things...you have none. you do not make the plans but God does! Saving faith is a gift! In Heb 11:1 we indeed read a Biblical definition of faith: "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen". This verse tells us that faith is a conviction that we have regarding something that allows us to be able to act on it as if it were assured of happening. But where does such assurance come from? faith comes from. Heb 12:2 says "...Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith". And Rom 12:3 says " ... God has allotted to each a measure of faith." These two verses clearly tell us that faith is not something that we do or a presence of mind that we develop, but that faith is a gift from God. Rom 10:17 says " ... faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of Christ." So faith is a gift from God that we receive from the word of Christ which in this dispensation we get from the Bible rather than from a burning bush. So in His time He will alot faith to us as needed from the word of the Bible. In 2 Cor 10:15 we see that faith can grow, so as we study the Bible God add to our faith and we grow in the grace of God by the grace of God. Yes, we can make choices as I said in how we respond to God but this, as Calvin has said it is volition which is the act of making a conscious choice or decision but not having a will outside of Gods divine will. Do you get the difference. You cannot will to be a teacher if God has not called you nor can you will to be rich if God has not called you. People can only do what God allows and even the unsaved have limits. God allows the cup of iniquity to be full with some and he alone determines that measure. Many people teach that they can control God such as word faith doctrine among others but this is not so! Jesus is Lord and no other. Also scripture does say that God has mercy on whom he will have mercy and who he wills he hardens. God raised up Pharaoh to show his mercy to his elect. If you are a slave to righteousness by being born again then you will be in submission to God. If Christ is really living in you then you are in the Spirit and abiding in Christ. Many claim to know the Lord when in fact they do not. If one lives like the devil then he belongs to the devil.....a good tree cannot produce evil fruit and neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. Gods will is that you produce fruit if you are a real Christian and that is why he said to check out the fruit. No fruits of righteousness then not saved! Bottom line! I Thess. 4:3-5 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God. Saving faith is given as a gift from God. You cannot in anyway earn it. Your faith is limited and not able to comprehend the gospel let alone receive it. It is through the preaching of the word that Gods faith is released by his will and not of your works...which in effect your own faith would be works. Therefore, you could boast that it was your faith that saved you when in fact it was not! God grants repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. You can of your own self do nothing as Jesus said. As born again Christians we are called to preach the word of God and the holy Spirits job is to convert the hearer to the gospel. Many including the devil have intellectual belief of the gospel but they are not saved. Faith is a gift of God and comes from God. In Matthew Chapter 16 Peter had made his confession of faith in Christ and said, “ You are the Christ, the Son of the true, living God .” The Lord Christ answered him and said, “Simon, son of Jonah, flesh and blood did not reveal this to you; you have not received such a confession and faith from your forefathers, but my heavenly Father has revealed it to you.” And also in John chapter 1 “To all who received him to them gave he the power to become children of God, born not by the will of flesh, nor by the will of man, but by the will of God.” The Lord builds his church, he alone adds numbers. All the so called flock in churches may or may not be born again by the holy Spirit. Many only have intellectual conversion and others are converted to a false gospel so these may think they are saved when in fact they are not. Easybelivism and a quicky sinners prayer does not constitute salvation! The fruit is what is to be tested, If they believe heresies then they are not saved. Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. 1 Corinthians 3:6,7 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed Ordain- To order by virtue of superior authority; decree or enact. To prearrange unalterably, predestine Romans 8:29,30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Predestinate To destine or determine in advance, foreordain. Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Psalm 135:4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure. Acts 9:15,16 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake. Isaiah 41:8,9 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. 2 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Acts 1:24,25 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 2 Thess. 2:11-14 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Haggi 2:23 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts John 60-71 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. Chosen Websters Dictionary Selected from or preferred above others: the chosen few. Having been selected by God; elect. Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; Isahiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. 1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect BUT IT IS NOT POSSIBE TO DECIEVE THE ELECT OF GOD PRAISE THE LORD...THOSE WHO BELIEVE FALSE DOCTRINE WILL EITHER COME TO THE KNOWLEGE OF THE TRUTH WHEN PRESENTED WITH IT IF GOD WILLS OR STAY DECIEVED AND GO INTO PERDITION) 2 John 1:1,2 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth’s sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever Elect To pick out; select: elect an art course. 3. To decide, especially by preference: elected to take the summer off. 4. To select by divine will for salvation. Used of God. Chosen deliberately; singled out. One that is chosen or selected. 5.One selected by divine will for salvation. 6. An exclusive group of people Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Yes Foreknowledge is when a Person is saved and they already have a relationship with him.
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No, actually foreknowlege means that God knew beforehand who would be saved....and that is because even as Christ was crucified from the foundation of the world so are Gods elect chosen from the beginning as well.....this is the bible not Calvins doctrine. Calvin was not the only reformer who believed that. Arminius was a heritic who brought in the free will doctrine. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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No...that is what Dem(Calvinism)onic teaches. It is an eletist theory Just as breaking people down into Calvinists and Armenians I wonder why it was ever said.... Choose this day whoom you will serve? I do like You SH even though you are wrong. You have guts and determination which few here seem to have. Thats admirable
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3/31/2008 11:11 pm |
You know for someone who regularly denies being a Calvinist, SH sure is defensive about anybody attacking Calvin's doctrine. HMMMMM. Although the scripture is brimming with examples of free will, the "Reformed" plug their ears to anything that might undermine the flawed doctrine. They simply cannot abide the idea that God could know the end from the beginning and yet give us a real choice to serve Him. But it is just such an idea that exalts Him as God. To believe in free will does not make someone a heretic or a humanist for that matter. It is actually more consistant with the way the Jews saw the relationship between man and God in the Old Testament. Christ did not repudiate that view, but rather came to fulfill the requirements of the law on our behalf. What is the greatest commandment? Matthew 22:37-38 "37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment." I defy anyone to love God against their will. It is simply not possible. Obedience is an act of the will. Love is always a choice, otherwise it is not truly love, but some form of compulsion. To say that we love without choosing is to slander God's nature and and to distort the nature of love. Is Calvinism demonic? I don't think so, but it is a doctrine of man that makes our God petty, meanspirited, unfair and sin obsessed. Anyone who has ever glimpsed even for a moment the true nature of God knows that He is none of these things. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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[I]You know for someone who regularly denies being a Calvinist, SH sure is defensive about anybody attacking Calvin's doctrine. HMMMMM Jeff it is not Calvins doctrine...read a book!!! Never slandered you Jeff...you are just a cry baby. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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She is in love with a "concept", a very faulty one.
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What is the greatest commandment? Matthew 22:37-38 "37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment." It most certainly is.....but remember that we love him because HE FIRST LOVED US! Stop being prideful of your loyalty as without Gods grace there go you!!! JEFF, I believe in reformed doctrine, Calvin did not originate it. All the protestant reformers believed in election...read a book! You are a Roman pretending to be a Protestant and you are a part of the Inquisition trying to hunt down us.  Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Dennis ....this from the guy who is number one for Wakko doctrines???? Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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4/1/2008 1:31 pm |
You know for someone who regularly denies being a Calvinist, SH sure is defensive about anybody attacking Calvin's doctrine. HMMMMM Jeff it is not Calvins doctrine...read a book!!! Never slandered you Jeff...you are just a cry baby. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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4/1/2008 1:40 pm |
What is the greatest commandment? Matthew 22:37-38 "37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment." It most certainly is.....but remember that we love him because HE FIRST LOVED US! Stop being prideful of your loyalty as without Gods grace there go you!!! JEFF, I believe in reformed doctrine, Calvin did not originate it. All the protestant reformers believed in election...read a book! You are a Roman pretending to be a Protestant and you are a part of the Inquisition trying to hunt down us. It is not prideful to point out that returning the love of God to him is an act of our will. Submission and worship are the deliberate aligning of our will with His. It is by allowing His love in that we are enabled (by Him) to return that love. Why must you resort to this infantile name calling? Do the things I say frighten you so much that you strike out so? Better look deeper to find out why. But I don't suppose self examination interests you much. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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good post Jeff
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It is not prideful to point out that returning the love of God to him is an act of our will......Not...PRIDE BIG TIME! we are enabled (by Him) to return that love...cAREFUL GETTING CLOSE TO REFORMED DOCTRINE THERE JEFF MY DEAR, Cant do anything without grace.....not a thing!  Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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sorry...jeff has u on this one
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nope, the word of God says.....John 15: 5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing What part of nothing do you not get? Your faith cannot save you....Gods gift of faith can only save....nothing is nil,zip, nine, ziltch,nadda, not,and no way! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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4/1/2008 11:25 pm |
It is not prideful to point out that returning the love of God to him is an act of our will......Not...PRIDE BIG TIME! we are enabled (by Him) to return that love...cAREFUL GETTING CLOSE TO REFORMED DOCTRINE THERE JEFF MY DEAR, Cant do anything without grace.....not a thing! mind or heart of their own. But in the real world, people make real choices and are faced with the consequences of those choices. I pity you for not understanding the true nature of God's love. You quote from the Word with no real understanding of what you read. Two verses after your quote in John 15 -14 we see this:7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Jesus uses the word IF three times here. This, as you surely know, denotes that there are conditions placed on discipleship. Salvation is a gift, yes, but Christ clearly shows that abiding is an act of the will. Not to keep ourselves saved, but to stay in fellowship with God. Unless you are saying that you are incapable of sin, you are not saying that I hope. Unless you are saying that you are now incapable of sin, then you admit that you have free will. Since God is not the author of sin, then it is our own will that commits sin, right? If we as born again children of God are free enough to commit sin, then we are also free to obey the command of God. Jesus said in Matthew 10: 8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. They must have had a choice, otherwise it was not "freely" given. Your reasoning is inconsistant with scripture, your interpretation is faulty, your arguments are weak. For someone who spends so much time posting about the Word of God,one would think you would be better at it than this. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Clearly you have a long way to go. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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well represented.....I wondfer what her twist will be here on this
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If a man abide not in me...means if you are not in Jesus Christ you will be cast in the fire....God does not cast off his sheep...they can never be lost...read all the word!!!Next verses you did not quote in that chapter are....Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. These things I command you, that ye love one another. You are reading that chapter and inferring that Jesus is talking only about Christians, he is not. He is saying abide or be in ...you are either in Christ or not in Christ, If you are in ?Christ...you cant fall out. Those who say they belong to him are many but they are false, deceiver, sensual having not the holy Spirit....you will know them by their fruit.....if you belong to God you will produce fruit because you are in him!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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4/2/2008 10:27 pm |
Once again you turn what it simple and profound into gibberish. You ignore the conditions that are clearly seen in the passage. I pointed out what YOU missed in the scripture YOU picked to prove your point. This is typical for you. You take only a portion of a scripture and then claim it proves something that a wider reading of the same chapter shows to be a flawed interpretation. The main flaw in your philosphy is that where the scripture plainly shows a capacity for choice or a need for action on the part of man, You try to sweep it under the rug of predestination or Divine sovereignty. The truth is that in scripture we find BOTH Divine sovereignty AND human responsibilty. You simply cannot accept this, because to do so brings your "Reformed" (Calvinist) theology crashing down into rubble. You cling so desperately to this crumbling edifice that you cannot see how foolish it makes you. Your theology is so bankrupt that you can only try to tear down the building of others, instead of building your own. I pray that God will open your eyes to this. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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Very good word Jeff. I admire SH for her spunk, But her word is more important than THEE word.
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The truth is that in scripture we find BOTH Divine sovereignty AND human responsibilty. That is illogical and a common arguement of Arminians. Two opposing view points are not right. One is right and one is wrong. The taking scriptures out of context is your doing. I just showed you that God chooses and those who are his abide in him. Those who are not are cast off. Acts 13:48 "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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