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Why do Pastors committ Adultry? |
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1/24/2008 4:22 pm |
Combination of factors. Lay people turn to pastors for help and counseling. Sometimes pastors have trouble confiding in 'peers' or superiors. It can be a very isolating job in that way. Difficulty in admitting fault. Counseling (and confidentiality) opens them up to additional 'opportunities.' Even Linda Rhonstadt mentioned years ago one of her fantasies was to seduce a preacher. Women are drawn to the idea of power in men. Often pastors are viewed as having 'power.'
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interesting thoughts
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Because they are not above anybody else and they are sinners just like you and me....duh! The grace of God means something like: Here is your life. You might never have been, but you are because the party wouldn't have been complete without you. - Fredrick Buechner
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1/24/2008 4:51 pm |
I think that Pastors are human, just like everyone else. Flesh fighting spirit and sometimes if the temptation is too great, the flesh wins. I'm sure a lot of us have battled with temptation, Pastor's unfortunately aren't any different to us. I also don't think it's a black and white statement as I'm sure there are a number of different factors that cause Pastor's to commit adultery. Huge topic!!
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1/24/2008 5:10 pm |
they get in the flesh, fall into temptation even when they should know better, what i often wonder is, how do men who feel called to ministry, who know scripture and belive it,,how do they reconcile their decision to commit adultery? Life is an adventure.
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1/24/2008 6:05 pm |
interesting thoughts 
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1/24/2008 6:08 pm |
they get in the flesh, fall into temptation even when they should know better, what i often wonder is, how do men who feel called to ministry, who know scripture and belive it,,how do they reconcile their decision to commit adultery?
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that and the fact Pastors were never orators until 3 1/2 centuries after Christ
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1/24/2008 8:30 pm |
Dennis... Ahem! ...Tell that to Peter and Paul busyky... I'm thinking those pastors are better about 'keeping confidentiality' so to speak. lillies... Good point!
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I feel Busykydad has the answer here. Amongst Christians the rate of adultery is 12% (acc to website I looked at) and amongst pastors 2%. I was married to a pastor who committed adultery 3 times (and for the last +- 4 years he was addicted to internet porn) before God released me from the marriage. I feel it had nothing at all to do with the fact that he was a pastor, but rather to do with his personality. The reason he told me he went into the pastorate was for the position and the public status. He was deceitful for the whole 18 years we were married. It was my experience that the aftermat of each was so public!!! and I think that's what makes it feel like pastors are frequent offenders.
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Now that I've read the voting options, voted and seen the result, I'd like to say thank you that no one has voted that it's because their wives don't do their duty!!!!! I've had people say that to me directly! It's the most hurtful of all and could not be further from the truth!
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Paul, there were thousands of home groups that met and they did not have Orators in groups until the time of Constantine. Peter and Paul were Apostles that set up fellowships. Fellowships that generally met everyday and prayed for each other. They all shared in these groups what the Lord was doing in their lives. They all sang. It all gets down to people performing positions that is only supposed to be a gifting. These same people speak immulation and performance continually when Jesus taught abiding. If we abide, the power scource leads us. If we follow knowledge and keep an eye on our own performance then we burn out because we are just doing what we think we are supposed to instead of being a branch and receiving the life from the vine. The full armour of God is Jesus.When we are in Jesus we do not have to go through a prayer of spoiritual warfare. The word says satan has no authority over us. I just think, pastors doing something they shouldnt do by becoming kings in a fellowship to the point of little gods sets them up for failure. Pastoral duties as we know today is not even scriptural. They were written by Pope Gregory for Catholic Priests and later indoctrinated into the Christian Church.
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Pastors committing adultery is so common nowadays. And mind you, its not only pastors. Its even worse in some other religous sects where church leaders have made a vow of celibacy...and there they are, hiding their families elsewhere as they continue their duties and live double-lives. Am not here to point an accusing finger. Its just that, I have thought about the same issues myself so many times, having been confronted with the same truths because of people close to me who were in the same boat. We live in a fallen world, and we all are human so the sin that easily ensnares us spares no one, pastors included. But you are right brother, church leaders carry a lot of burden and responsibilities on their shoulders. Unless we recognize Christ as our one true source of power, the one true VINE, then we all operate on our fleshly nature which is bound to get burned out, and to fail. The focus should be vertical instead of horizontal. Of course, this is easier said than done. And let us not discount the wiles of the enemy, who is awaiting to devour specially men of God whose sphere of influence extends to larger groups. Let us therefore pray for one another, be vigilant and be wise as a serpent in the face of all these brokeness we are facing.
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1/25/2008 3:44 pm |
Paul, there were thousands of home groups that met and they did not have Orators in groups until the time of Constantine. Peter and Paul were Apostles that set up fellowships. Fellowships that generally met everyday and prayed for each other. They all shared in these groups what the Lord was doing in their lives. They all sang. It all gets down to people performing positions that is only supposed to be a gifting. These same people speak immulation and performance continually when Jesus taught abiding. If we abide, the power scource leads us. If we follow knowledge and keep an eye on our own performance then we burn out because we are just doing what we think we are supposed to instead of being a branch and receiving the life from the vine. The full armour of God is Jesus.When we are in Jesus we do not have to go through a prayer of spoiritual warfare. The word says satan has no authority over us. I just think, pastors doing something they shouldnt do by becoming kings in a fellowship to the point of little gods sets them up for failure. Pastoral duties as we know today is not even scriptural. They were written by Pope Gregory for Catholic Priests and later indoctrinated into the Christian Church. I tend to agree with you for the most part, but not sure there is ample evidence for the exact nature of the first three centuries of home churches. Peter and Paul may have been more the exception than the rule, but clearly orating pastors were not birthed in the 4th century. Placing too much importance on the pastor opens up many possible troubles. Lazy laity. Power hungry pastors. In my church, we are ordained to Word, Sacrament and Order. I feel called to the first two primarily. Paul gives thanks he did not even baptize many. And in Acts, others are set up to assist the apostles with administration. Organization tends to come largely from necessity. The form is arrived at by facility, politics, etc. And sadly, when change is needed again, we tend to lean too much on human tradition. Difficult and recurring problem in every age. Once a thing is established, it tends to become establishment. And yeah, that isn't scriptural.
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So often it is simply assumed that everyone in ministry is 'called.' Some men are drawn into the ministry out of a sense of power. And this frame of mind (conquest) goes hand in hand with adultery. Mainly I'm going with they are human and sin too! How they deal with it and forgiveness for it is also a very interesting concept. Does anyone know? Neat topic!
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A Pastor was an overseer and a servant to the body. Not top dog ceo in a bussiness making his millions.People all shared. it wasnt man dominated. In the bussinesses they call fellowships today, I do not see God.
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1/25/2008 8:58 pm |
A Pastor was an overseer and a servant to the body. Not top dog ceo in a bussiness making his millions.People all shared. it wasnt man dominated. In the bussinesses they call fellowships today, I do not see God.
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He is pretty bad isnt he. Paul I do not believe gifting was ever meant to be positional. I dont believe fellowships were ever meant to be so impersonal. I think that when it says that the Holy Spirit resides in you and that you need no teacher because of this, that we should be helping young Christians learn to hear from the Holy Spirit. The things they may come up with can not be any worse than Word of Faith, Calvinism or Purpose Driven. We put a lot of empahsis on the scriptures, but people forget, until the last 100 plus years many people could not read. I think that reliance on people who could has done much damage.
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well sin isnt counted against believers either
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1/29/2008 6:56 am |
I can see some true in the pastors matter,do we now go to the world of the dead and bring pastors?We are told from the word of God that Angels who are suppose to know better fall into this sin, who where the sons of god who came dawn from Heaven to do things with the daughters of men genesis chapter6? what I can say in this pastors matter is that every positive man have the intention of this problem but they control themselves.This is a spiritual problem and for the fact that every normal human came through this Road will make it more higher in some not just only pastors.there are faithful people out there.
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it happens with everyone. HOWEVER...when you agree to a position(which is man made) then you are held to higher standards.
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I eat out....almost once a day. IS GOD A MAN OR A WOMAN
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1/31/2008 5:02 pm |
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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the word also says that the born again believer is the righteousness of God IN Christ Jesus
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Ok, I've got one for ya. Back in 1976 my husband and I sought marital counseling through a referral to a Presbyterian minister. He asked some inappropriate questions of me and more or less came on to me while my lackluster husband watched. When I or we told him we had decided to separate the guy called me and asked what I had done to manipulate that outcome; he called me the b-word and asked me for a date. He was married and, NO, I didn't go......
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